Yes I saw the fit. The MJD is unnecessary since in reality it accomplishes nothing that a MWD cannot.

I argue once again that marauders would be better served with a velocity bonus rather than a velocity nerf, if they are intended to engage NPCs at close range.

A velocity bonus would also give them better gank evasion characteristics in hostile space.

ithink they really deserve a 5th turret/missile launcher
every marauder have less potential dps than one T1 BS of the same race

its PVP GAME!!!

What you want is IRRELEVANT regarding that. Sure you can try to balance ships for PVE, but not at the cost of makign them USELES for PVP

That si why in my post i said.. Al l ships with WEAPONS... not all ships....

This is not how tanking works. Battleships in a mission are already taking almost full damage from mission rats, even while moving, unless you're using a prop-mod.

I agree that the hulls should have an innate bonus to tank but because they're tanky ships and shouldn't have to equip Bastion to be tanky, not because them standing still is going to increase damage taken from anything but Dreadnaughts but because having a sub-cap that's defined entirely by a single module seems like a poor idea.

you forgot waiting to 10% shields then BOOM!!! 100% shields

Two things i would love to see added
Allow use of covert op BS jump bridge. So a Covert op scout BS can call in his Marauder Buddies. Even if it has a hour cool down.
I have never used a jump bridge but i think it would be great reason to pvp with it. Can it work ???

The other is a 200% dam when hitting target over BS size so carrier's and POS size objects. I don't see that effecting mission dps or BS on BS fights.

The though of a group of Marauder being jumped into a system by a stealth BS and able to cause all hell on field with MJD.
I think with those 2 changes if will give it a powerful PVP reason to fly it with out making it OP or useless in PVE with the way they are now.

You need to type "SoonGäó" or people might think you actually mean "soon". Most people don't consider 2+ business weeks to be "soon".

50% resist bonus on top of T2 resists will let you fit out a dual-XLASB Golem to not only permatank the DPS of several sieged Moroses at point blank range but also have the EHP to avoid getting alphaed through your tank. The same goes for a Vargur against Revelations. Seriously, this allows a >30,000 DPS tank on >600,000 EHP with just running one booster while reloading the other one. >60,000 DPS can be tanked by running both.

The bastion module as currently designed is just asking for trouble. Vargur turns into a "tank multiple dreadnaughts while neuting 75 cap/sec and doing 1300 DPS with gun tracking good enough to hit interceptors" solo pwnmobile.

No, that's with no overheating of the XLASB and no operational solidifiers. Also you can get a 20,000/40,000 DPS tank with just T2 equipment. The tracking is so good (0.111 with no tracking mods, medium neutrons start at 0.12) there's no way to get under the guns. You can't ewar it, and neuting doesn't shut off the boosting or the guns. It's literally unkillable with any reasonably sized non-capital gang that doesn't have multiple logistics to rep the dps until you run them out of cap charges.

That's why I said 20,000/40,000. Obviously, the 20k is with one booster running while you reload the other, the 40k is with them both running.

Dual medium boosters works great on a Golem. Or pulse the XL. XL's aren't designed for permarunning. Even larges. But you can work a dual medium (one perma running, second for backup for the higher DPS Epic Arcs).

Bastion will completely screw over the dual medium booster tank setup, beacuse if its like siege mode, Crystal implants won't affect it.

My Original Marauder Suggestions Post: http://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3556070#post3556070

That is correct.

Ever try fitting Estamels Modified Torpedo launchers, 4x CN BCS's, and overloading the lot with max missile skills? 1703.1 DPS.

http://imageshack.us/a/img853/8519/0n2a.jpg

Edit: Imported fit to EFT: http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/8015/dqxz.png

/agreed

People seem to forget the capabilities of the pirate ships.

Marauders are getting a design that better suits them, yet many people want them to be designed pretty much the exact same way pirate ships are currently designed...

Advice.... buy a pirate ship

[quote=zbaaca]So, the Golem can't fly in Caldari space, due to jams, can't fly in Minmatar space due to heavy damage and TPs, can't fly in Gallente space due to damps.

THANK YOU for the proposal for T2 resists.

There is one bit of of information that could use some feedback to benefit the team changing marauders:
"Uses no specific fuel or capacitor - we were discussing the use of Heavy Water as fuel. However, it doesn't really provide any gameplay (as CCP Rise mentioned, capacitor is the main limiting factor in combat with those ships). Plus it adds more consumables to a class that already commonly uses charges for weapons, cap boosters and need to keep cargo for possible salvaging. "

This states that I NEED cargo for POSSIBLE salvaging. I would like to know how many players that currently make significant use of this ship actually use the salvager and tractor beams instead of a Notics. Also, how many players would even consider using them when new deployable structures come about? Maybe new technology such as the Notics and deployable structures are making this role bonus antiquated.




I cannot agree more with Wedgetail.

I have no use for a MJD. I will not fit one over options of other modules (navigation or not).
I will not use a web. How can I track (which this expansion/change wants me to make more use of my primary weapon system?) anything but a battleship sufficiently when it is in web range?

If focus is meant to be placed on primary weapon system, make it appealing to all types of high slot fittings (close range/long range and each weapon type), and make sure someone with elite fitting skills can still fit big guns (ex: 4 arty....without having to have a module or implant to boost power output). If you want me to sacrifice some drone damage output, please make up for it by giving some form of damage boost to the primary weapon system.

As far as Bastion Mode: Who wants to be a stationary target?! The bonus to shield/armor repair does/doesn't outweigh the damage increase caused by being STATIONARY and the INCREASE in mass?!?

I admire trying something new to add to the game. This comes with great risk. Feedback now tends to have minimal impact. YOUR EXPANSION IS <2 MONTHS AWAY. You are not going to overhaul an ENTIRE feature/change, (gimmick?) even if you now realize it is a horrible idea. Your pride, hard work, time you put into this, AND your coming deadline will make changes to these proposals more or less tweaks.

Good luck mates.

Let me explain why all this marauder concept is faulty.


1 These are combat ships that are not ewar ships neither remote repair ships. THat means their role is to DEAL DAMAGE.


2 Dealing damage is their primary work, a work they do as well outside bastion mode as in bastion mode (the meager range extension is almost irrelevant). THere is no reason why I would prefer new marauders to old ones, because they do damage same way while the old ones are way faster .


3 Bastion mode without damage bonus is a waste of an idea. Who would use dreads if siege only gave them tank?


4 The only way a bastion module with range bonus would help is if ccp changed the horrifically short 249 km lock range limit. IF we could lock things at 300 km, then this extra range would mean something tactically. But even then would be a minor thing.



5 Give bastion a 25% damage bonus and the ship magically becomes something that makes sense.

For the frigates some might say. But who in their right mind would want to tackle you when you are in bastion mode? That's a waste of time. And who would want to use a scram on you when everyone could stay out of your webber range by simply using a warp disruptor?

Solo ships in a Massive online game... something feels off don't you think?



hmmm so I have been thinking about it and like... if you change the mjd to mwd cap use, that would make bastion marauders pretty nice, bastion would be like omfg emergency switch when things go bad so you can get help, wouldn't that be better? plus mjd is useless in pve :( I m not going to do Pythagoras each time I want to land at a jump gate, that's asking too much -.-

with rails in PVE it can't hit anything that gets close.

So is there any truth to the rumor of the new Golem ship that looks like a platypus?

Its amazing how many pve players are demanding a ship with no drawbacks.

I don't know how we're supposed to test bastion when he haven't even been given a for sure skill on it.

The difference between active armor tank and active shield tank is too big and its sad that no one is doing with that anything.

The only way how to have similar repair amount as shield is to fit 2 repairers and then because its still not enough you must fit also rigs to increase repair amount. I really dont think that its correct. (this is for example comparison between tengu and legion and legion fit will be even more expensive, but its not only these 2 ships)

Other thing is that you have less effective HP just due to the fact that you can count with shields at all...

Why arent Bastion moduals on SiSi Anymore???

1K dps with conflag, that seems, well crap really, the extra range from bastion will increase its usefullness but that's still really really poor for a top flight hull with Max skills.

I was thinking of training up marauders since i got all BS's at V but if that's as good as it gets i don't think i'll bother wasting time maxing out a rank 10 skill.

Are you sure, my nightmare pushes 1k dps with tachs at max skills, seems very low for conflag.